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Post by nico on Apr 16, 2014 9:21:50 GMT
i do understand the fact that back then those test didn't mean shit. nobody cared about them but they had to be done. maybe thats wha there are so little numbers of them from those early pressings. i also think that hardcore is the only music-scene where tests have that value to collectors. i have never seen a test going for more money from a certain rock band or hiphop artist. maybe some do but most go for very low. i check for test pressings in general on ebay so i can make shure that i won't miss out anything. mostly i just watch them go for fun. for me a test press is the ultimate record to complete the collection. without its complete too, but with the test its like getting an A+ on a exame. For instance Smiths, Springsteen, various metal test presses go for crazy amounts too.
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Post by minoratheart on Apr 16, 2014 9:32:58 GMT
Yeah, I do see what you are saying in order to try and justify the insanity behind test press collecting... However, myself and plenty of other collectors will still stand behind not getting involved in test press collecting whatsoever... I know I can speak for others because I have quite a few record collecting friends who think test press collecting is straight up lame as hell. And these friends of mine go back a long way. Sorry for speaking my mind on this matter dude... But again, there are a lot of collectors who feel this way. I am not the only one and nowhere close to the only one. And no, I am not hypocritical or the newest member of the rich man's club and I never will be. There is a HUGE LINE between spending $250.00 to $500.00 on a Warzone orange wax or a Together orange wax and spending close to $1.000.00 on an early Rev test press record or $4.000.00 on a CK... And even if somehow woke up tomorrow morning being a billionaire rich guy who can buy anything I wanted, I still wouldn't collect test presses... It's totally against my hardcore morals... Nothing to be sorry about for speaking one's mind. Where would the fun discussions be if we all agreed on everything? But to be honest, I don't really see the "huge line" between $500 and $1000 you mention. As pillowscars said, anything above 5/6 bucks for a 7" and maybe 15 bucks for a LP is overpriced and thus luxury. Record collecting itself is insanity, not only the collecting test pressing part imho. Unless you see it as financial investment maybe, haha. What I don't understand is how spending $500 fits in with your hardcore morals, but spending $1000 on a record doesn't. Why is it apparently okay to spend a lot of money on coloured vinyl (e.g. Warzone on orange as you mentioned), but not on a test press? After all, you said yourself that there are no rules to collecting. So if you (and your friends) don't agree with collecting test pressings - good for you, but if people want to collect them - good for them.
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Post by darthdomm on Apr 16, 2014 9:34:54 GMT
Yeah, I hear you pillow... No problem man... I just get upset when people start trying to make up rules and set the bar really high for us in the record collecting game. I'm having a hard enough time the way it is, saving up the extra cash for a Warzone on orange and a Together on orange because I finally found somebody who is willing to sell me both of them. There are only like 10 test pressings of each early Rev release that exist in the whole world, most of them go for around $1.000.000 +, they were initially intended for the band members, their families, their close friends, close loyal fans, and a couple people at the label. There is no rule that says we have to collect test press records. Actually, there are no rules to this game at all. We should collect what we want to collect and collect records because we like the music. Not collect because this person says no collection is complete without this record or that record. That is kind of like collecting to fit in or be cool... I don't know much about the hardcore scene nowadays, but that's not how hardcore was when I was growing up back in the late 80s to mid/late 90s... Whatever??? It's all good man...
Pass the salt, pour it in my wounds You look like you have no friends, but can't keep up with the new trends Sorry, sorry, for myself I don't agree No, I always go out eating with my best friends, it's less than normal
Peace, Dom
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Post by xreganx on Apr 16, 2014 10:30:30 GMT
I think this is a bit ridiculous trying to draw arbitrary lines as what is okay to spend on a record because of some "hardcore morals". If I want to spend 6k on a Chung king, that's my business.
Where do you draw the line$1000 for a Warzone b-side? $800-900 on a minor threat filler? $700 on a chain crew or Warzone on green??
Seems fuckin stupid to try and put people down for having a higher budget and being able to afford more than you and claim is against some "hardcore morals".
Seems to me it's because you are struggling to afford all your wants all at once you are getting frustrated at other people. Think you should just chill out, no one is telling you you have to buy test presses.
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Post by darthdomm on Apr 16, 2014 10:37:49 GMT
I think this is a bit ridiculous trying to draw arbitrary lines as what is okay to spend on a record because of some "hardcore morals". If I want to spend 6k on a Chung king, that's my business. Where do you draw the line$1000 for a Warzone b-side? $800-900 on a minor threat filler? $700 on a chain crew or Warzone on green?? Seems fuckin stupid to try and put people down for having a higher budget and being able to afford more than you and claim is against some "hardcore morals". Seems to me it's because you are struggling to afford all your wants all at once you are getting frustrated at other people. Think you should just chill out, no one is telling you you have to buy test presses. Yep. Whatever you say money man... :-) Throw a bunch of stuff that I didn't even say in my mouth because I pissed you off and I don't follow the same collecting guidelines as you do... Maybe you should look into what hardcore morals are??? Let me guess??? You were probably born in the 90s sometime???
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Post by lordxhumungus on Apr 16, 2014 10:42:51 GMT
I think it's odd to be a record collector and not want to collect test presses too. How else do you complete a collection? Sure they're expensive. All rare records are. One of my goals is to be on this test press owners list. So you strive to be on this almost imaginary list that only about 15 or 20 people in the whole world care about? There is no such thing as a "complete collection" dude... Every collector's definition of a complete collection is different. There really are no rules here man. And who says we have to collect test pressings in order to have a complete Rev collection??? Imaginary list or not... I still want to be on it. I have loads of test presses from hardcore and non-hardcore bands and labels but no Rev test presses. I want one. That's how I feel. I don't care if someone collects porcelain bunny rabbits, a collector (by definition) is always looking for more.
That being said, we each have our own style and we all know this. Some of us are more OCD than others. I want every variation I can find. Different colors of vinyl, inserts, covers, etc. My version of a complete collection includes a test. You are right though - there are no rules. But test presses are out there so I will want them for my collection. You don't want to collect tests and I do. It's all good.
Toy collecting for grown ups. So true.
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Post by xreganx on Apr 16, 2014 10:43:42 GMT
Yeah I'm far from rich, I work and support my partner. I just make some records a priority. But if want to judge me on how I budget my money, that's just sort of silly.
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Post by lordxhumungus on Apr 16, 2014 10:53:34 GMT
Yeah I'm far from rich, I work and support my partner. I just make some records a priority. But if want to judge me on how I budget my money, that's just sort of silly. Yeah I'm far from rich too but I agree with you. I work hard and support my family. As long as the bills are paid I'll spend whatever I want on a record. All people have hobbies and it's not absurd to spend loads of money on enjoying life, or going on vacation, or whatever the fuck floats your boat. My old school hardcore morals are still intact.
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Post by darthdomm on Apr 16, 2014 10:55:04 GMT
Alright, you guys go right on ahead and keep spending $1.000.00 + on hardcore records that were NEVER intended to be worth anywhere near that price... Keep driving the market up on everybody... Way to go!!! Talk about completely missing out on the whole hardcore message??? I'm outta here... Sorry for causing a fight in middle of your Black Panther party...
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Post by xreganx on Apr 16, 2014 11:01:06 GMT
Alright, you guys go right on ahead and keep spending $1.000.00 + on hardcore records that were NEVER intended to be worth anywhere near that price... Keep driving the market up on everybody... Way to go!!! Talk about completely missing out on the whole hardcore message??? I'm outta here... Sorry for causing a fight in middle of your Black Panther party... Yeeaah you just said before you are buying two records for $500 each... That's soo much better. Where is the dollar value you are allowed to spend on a record before you lose you "hardcore morals"?
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Post by xreganx on Apr 16, 2014 11:12:21 GMT
Also just a little side note. No, these records were never meant to be this collectible or expensive in the 80's. However with the globalisation of the world and the invention of the internet, the hardcore community has grown exponentially and people like myself on the other side of the world can sell and bid on some random guys record instantly. With higher demand from more people and more access for people to buy from around the globe, prices will naturally rise.
I may not like it, you may not like it, but that's the way it is and no one is forcing anyone to take part.
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Post by chris2far on Apr 16, 2014 11:13:32 GMT
hey boys. whats all that fighting for'
can't you just stop it? its really anoying.
there are no rules in collecting.
if one wants to buy a test for 2000$, let him buy it, if another wants to toss a test in the trash , let him do it.
wheres the unity? wheres the respect? comon guy, you're all better than that.
theres no need to diss each other. really, it kinda sickens me to read that bullshit. there enough shit going on outside that board. this is a safe place to talk about records, sharing pictures, making trades. IT'S FOR FUN not for fucking war.
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Post by xreganx on Apr 16, 2014 11:19:10 GMT
chris2far you're right, I can get carried away. My apologies to darthdomm for my personal attacks, I can get worked up and defensive, sorry, I'm sure you're a nice enough guy, I just don't like having to defend my decisions. Hope we can agree to disagree. People please go back to posting about crucial records.
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Post by lordxhumungus on Apr 16, 2014 11:40:07 GMT
This is waaaaaay better than anything going on at work right now! Dom and Regan - You're both cool as hell! Ok - WHO'S SELLING TESTS? Nah I'm broke.
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Post by xmichelx on Apr 16, 2014 11:44:15 GMT
This is waaaaaay better than anything going on at work right now! Dom and Regan - You're both cool as hell! Ok - WHO'S SELLING TESTS? Nah I'm broke.
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Post by geoff on Apr 16, 2014 12:58:04 GMT
domm, you sound like you just jumped out of a time machine from 1989. hardcore has progressed in ways we might not like, but it has happened.
to keep things in perspective here. punk records were never meant to collectible. they became that way because the were often pressed in such low numbers. (tough and go). then colored vinyl came along and pressed in limited quantities because it cost more to press it. they became collectible. then rev came along and specifically made records rare so they could trade top dollar toys. just look at their trade lists.
rev records from the very start were worth money. sure it wasnt hundreds, but i paid $10 to $20 for colored vinyl in 1990. test presses were the holy grail back then. right from day one. if you traded rev something really rare they would send you a test press. they didnt all go to the bands. if they did, kev finn wouldnt have many of them while working for jordan. rev test presses were a hot commodity from the very start. it just that you couldnt get one if wanted. pre internet days were impossible to find rev tests.
spending $20 on a record in 1990 was way more painful for me than spending $400 today. still regret not spending more back then.
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Post by Raven X Army on Apr 16, 2014 13:22:37 GMT
I am with pillowscars on this one: What? There is a huge line between buying a $5 7" and buying a $500 7". There is a very little line between buying a $500 record and a $1000 record. You've gone over the deep end long ago when you hit those prices. I see what you say about the affordability of HC/Punk. I grew up on records that almost ALWAYS said somewhere in the corner: Pay no more than £1.99 or so. I am happy for every person who still sticks to their guns on that. I support them all the way. Backed hard. What I do not see however is how collecting records, stamps, fucking shoes, coloured pencils, football cards or whatever else has anything to do with being HC Punk? Being punk is a mindset. A way of thinking while still being a part of the society/your local community. "Collecting" anything is a hobby. It doesn't make you subversive, out of step with the world or an anarchist-a/antichrist-a. Collecting (for me) is a tiny bit of fun I can allow myself to have between taking care of my baby, fixing the cat tower, working, paying mortgage/taxes and shopping for veggies. You basically go against your own logic: Hardcore was NEVER intended to be about big money... It was meant to be underground and affordable by saying it's OK to spend $500 on any record that was originally sold for $3-$4 as long as it isn't a test pressing. It makes you no less of a wanker (in the eyes of let's say Deek from Oi Polloi or Penny Rimbaud or Colin Jerwood lol) than any one person on this test press list. It's exactly what pillowscars was referring to. Quite rightly so I may add. If you want to even loosely apply HC anarcho-punk ethics to your collecting practices you really should be looking through yard sales and $1 bins in the charity shops rather than browsing ebay (who are probably worse than the Antichrist and are one of the major pillars of the capitalist system that's currently fucking 98% of the world in the arse) Collecting itself has very little to do with punk. Except for the fact that what you collect is a product of the punk scene. Other than that the same rules apply as to the regular market. Demand regulates the prices. Wall Street shite. And who says we have to collect test pressings in order to have a complete Rev collection??? Kevin Finn told me.
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Post by orangerory on Apr 16, 2014 14:23:52 GMT
Whoa - this thread turned quite a corner...
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Post by darthdomm on Apr 16, 2014 15:40:59 GMT
I am with pillowscars on this one: What? There is a huge line between buying a $5 7" and buying a $500 7". There is a very little line between buying a $500 record and a $1000 record. You've gone over the deep end long ago when you hit those prices. I see what you say about the affordability of HC/Punk. I grew up on records that almost ALWAYS said somewhere in the corner: Pay no more than £1.99 or so. I am happy for every person who still sticks to their guns on that. I support them all the way. Backed hard. What I do not see however is how collecting records, stamps, fucking shoes, coloured pencils, football cards or whatever else has anything to do with being HC Punk? Being punk is a mindset. A way of thinking while still being a part of the society/your local community. "Collecting" anything is a hobby. It doesn't make you subversive, out of step with the world or an anarchist-a/antichrist-a. Collecting (for me) is a tiny bit of fun I can allow myself to have between taking care of my baby, fixing the cat tower, working, paying mortgage/taxes and shopping for veggies. You basically go against your own logic: Hardcore was NEVER intended to be about big money... It was meant to be underground and affordable by saying it's OK to spend $500 on any record that was originally sold for $3-$4 as long as it isn't a test pressing. It makes you no less of a wanker (in the eyes of let's say Deek from Oi Polloi or Penny Rimbaud or Colin Jerwood lol) than any one person on this test press list. It's exactly what pillowscars was referring to. Quite rightly so I may add. If you want to even loosely apply HC anarcho-punk ethics to your collecting practices you really should be looking through yard sales and $1 bins in the charity shops rather than browsing ebay (who are probably worse than the Antichrist and are one of the major pillars of the capitalist system that's currently fucking 98% of the world in the arse) Collecting itself has very little to do with punk. Except for the fact that what you collect is a product of the punk scene. Other than that the same rules apply as to the regular market. Demand regulates the prices. Wall Street shite. And who says we have to collect test pressings in order to have a complete Rev collection??? Kevin Finn told me. Oh boy! I just knew the Mighty King Poison aka Dobeck would chime in on this one too. Of course you are on pillow's side because I don't kiss your ass on here like everyone else does... I have you pegged and you know it. You are in it for the money and for the attention. It is practically written all over you... For the record: I have never paid anything more than $377.00 for a single record in my life and that was pretty recent... AGAIN: TO ME, there is a HUGE difference between spending $250.00 to $500.00 rather than spending a totally insane $1.000.00+ on a record... $1.000.00 is way too much for me to go spending on a single record... If I ever did that, I would actually voluntarily commit myself into the local psychiatric hospital within minutes after I made the purchase... Spending $500.00 on a record nowadays is pretty much just like spending $100.00 on a record in the early 90s. That was considered okay back then and therefore it's considered okay now. That was always the benchmark in my local scene of diehard collectors... None of that is the point anyways... The point is: "test press records being considered as having a complete Rev collection." and I'll bet you my left testical that most Rev collectors don't give a flying shit about Rev test press records. Heck! The dude that created this very thread even said himself that he doesn't give a shit about test press records. Yeah, a lot of people probably wish they had a stack of them so they can sell them for insane prices and then pretty much buy any other records they want and then some, lol. But that doesn't mean that collections are incomplete without the test presses, lmao!!! I might be outnumbered on this board because obviously most of the people on here are overly obsessed with this Rev vinyl. After all, it is the Revelation Records Web Forum... However, I know for a fact that most collectors would side with me on this topic outside of here. And who the fuck is Kevin Finn??? Is he God??? Google him and see what comes up. NOTHING MUCH, lol... Man are you pathetically lost and ocd obsessed. You need a girlfriend or something dude...
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Post by lordxhumungus on Apr 16, 2014 15:47:02 GMT
Wait.. what?
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Post by darthdomm on Apr 16, 2014 15:53:28 GMT
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Post by orangerory on Apr 16, 2014 16:06:16 GMT
Jesus Darth. Calm down, bro. Your reactions to people disagreeing with you have been way overboard and totally unnecessary.
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Post by lordxhumungus on Apr 16, 2014 16:19:44 GMT
Is this trolling?
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Post by xmichelx on Apr 16, 2014 16:20:05 GMT
Holy shit! Where is this forum goin'! Darth seems to be on a warpath! Why are you trying to kick Dobeks ass? (And some more)
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Post by darthdomm on Apr 16, 2014 16:32:42 GMT
Hey xmichelx, I voiced my opinion on how I don't give a shit about Rev test press records and it was like I burned a stack of bibles inside a church on Sunday. Everyone just jumped right on me. Utterly fucking hilarious!!! Some of these fellas on here are a little too obsessed with this stuff...
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