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Post by reasontorevelate on Jan 27, 2012 20:47:00 GMT
Ever since Geoff uploaded the picture of the Gorilla Biscuits 7" test press in December last year (see below), I've been trying to unravel the mystery: from what record are these labels, in reverse text and barely readable. Some quick google searches lead to nothing, couldn't find a lead.
Then I tried getting a mirror image of this somehow. Mind you, I'm a terrible computer user. I threw it in Paint though, and managed to do it.
To help myself some more, I made a negative of it, so black becomes white and vice versa.
It got me a few more letters, and so searching became more efficient. Last night, I nailed it.
THIS IS WHERE I THINK THIS LABEL COMES FROM......
This is a 7" record with 1 track on side B (LADO B) called "Oracion de Año Nuevo". The record label that put it out is called "Flamboyan Records" and the catalogue number is FLP-IR..-021
I couldn't find an image, description, or track listing of this 7" itself, but there is an LP where this same track is on.
Check that LP here:
www.discogs.com/El-Coro-De-Bayamon-Navidad/release/6426868
So the artist is CORO DE BAYAMON which means "The choir of Bayamon".
Bayamon is a town in Puerto Rico, and that's where this choir performed their mostly religious songs. They existed from 1950-1980, and also performed in the U.S. several times, and were in New York for 10 days in 1957.
They also performed all over South America.
On the lower side of the label it says: "arreglo de Prof. Angel M. Mattos, hijo." , which means "arranged by....." in Spanish.
Tracklisting:
Flamboyan Stereo FLP-021
1. Llevame A Ver A Jesus, 2. Los Tres Reyes Magos, 3. Las Trullas De Navidad, 4. Venid Pastorcitos, 5. Nochecita De Navidad, 6. De Puerto Rico Vengo, 7. Oracion De Año Nuevo, 8. Aleluya, 9. El Sueño Del Niño Jesus, 10. Noche De Paz.
I suspect that a 7" was made with track # 7 on the B-side of it. I don't know what was on the A-side of it.
So what do they sound like?
Well....it's no G.B. of course. But I must say I liked what it sounds like. Listen with headphones, cause the sound is pretty thin.
@ Proparandy maybe you can translate some more of the text in the youtube link? I speak Spanish, but you'll probably be much quicker than me.
I'm not sure if the label were stuck on the record in reverse, or whether the labels were printed wrongly. I suspect the first theory to be correct.
I really enjoyed this vinyl archeology. 
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Post by geoff on Jan 27, 2012 20:51:04 GMT
that some next level nerdy investigation. bravo! well done.
the writing can be seen on the stamped gb, and the sbs tests too.
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Post by xflamestillburnsx on Jan 27, 2012 21:03:52 GMT
Great! Now I`ve to check if the labels of my GB and SBS tests are the same.
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Post by geoff on Jan 27, 2012 21:10:46 GMT
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Post by lecky on Jan 27, 2012 22:04:11 GMT
What you are seeing here is called "set off" which means that the print from one piece of paper has left a faint impression on the piece laid on top of it, It looks like the pressing plant just used extra labels they had lying around to make the blank test press labels, it's not the ink coming through from the other side of the paper though as some people might think, if the ink were to bleed that much it wouldn't be any good for printing with.
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Post by Raven X Army on Jan 28, 2012 3:22:08 GMT
that some next level nerdy investigation. bravo! well done. the writing can be seen on the stamped gb, and the sbs tests too. AND on the Judge SCHISM test pressing which was done at the same time and at the same plant as the SBS record. I will scan and reverse both of my SBS test and JUDGE test labels and add to the thread tonight |
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Post by Clichejon on Jan 28, 2012 7:34:07 GMT
Amazing!
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Post by proparandy on Jan 28, 2012 8:17:45 GMT
OK, this was some hardcore translation. There are a lot of english mistakes but translating that was already a pain in the ass, so I hope it's understandable. Hope this helps you!
Bayamon's Choir started on August, 1950 in the Lutheran Sión Church of Bayamón, Puerto Rico, by Dr. Angel M Mattos, two weeks after he arrived to the city to perform his doctor career in the Municipal Hospital. The choir stopped existing in 1980, with the retirement of Dr. Mattos, even though it continued its work as "Lutheran Sión Church Of Bayamón for some more years. In the beginning, the choir went further than the temple's walls (not sure if this is the correct way to say it in english), not only sharing stage with other christian churches, but with cultural and civic institutions. So, in 1952, the choir offered their first variated music show in Aponte's theater, in the town of Lares. Master Pablo Casal dreamed about the Puerto Rican's Musical Conservatory establishment when the choir had the honor to sing for him and other Governor Luis Muñoz Marín's guests. Don Pablo Casals expressed words of praise for the choir, reaffirming his convincement that in Puerto Rico there were great musical potentials and that there could even be works in the vein of The Passion According To Saint Matthew of John Sebastian Bach. This happened in 1956, when the choir was in its sixth year. This choir achieved in their 30 years of existence a really extended choral repertory. The variety of this repertory covers from the straightforward and short religious works to big and difficult ones, including contemporean composers such as Rogers, Mitchell and Leigh, besides opera musica and folklore from different countries such as Spain, France, Russia, Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico and others. The repertory of Puerto Rican music, covered by Bayamón's choir, includes some of the most prominent composers from the past; Juan Morel Campos, José Ignacio Quintón, Braulio Dueño Colón, Manual G. Tavarez, and various contemporary composers like Rafael Hernández, Noel Estrada, Pedro Flores, and Pablo Fernández Badillo. Part of their musical contribution that resulted from the work of the choir were choral arrangements produced by its director, Dr. Mattos, and by their co-director and pianist, Prof. Angel M. Mattos, son. These include various genres, like dances, christmas songs, plenas (a musical style), seises (a musical style), etc.
Dr. Angel M. Mattos Nieves: during his 30 years in the choir of Bayamón he carried his message to almost every town in Puerto Rico, as part of the effort from the Puerto Rican Cultural Institute, to which he belonged since 1957. In that year, Bayamon's choir did a succesful artistic tour of 10 days on New York City, offering shows in Brooklyn Academy of Music, Wagner College, Trinity Church, and Roosevelt Auditorium, among others. In the year 1965, history put Bayamón's choir in front of 8'000 people that clapped in Miami Beach's Convention Hall, Florida. This was due to a convention from the Young People Of The Lutheran Church of the USA. It's a fact of great relevance that this choir was invited to this national event, in which they shared stage with the famous choir of Wittemberg's University, Ohio. In 1969, the choir did another tour, this time around 3 cities of Venezuela: Maracaibo, Barquisimeto and Caracas. The local press emphasized the performance of the choir, especially the Caracas presentation, which was in the magnifical Municipal Theater, in the Saint Francisco Cathedral and in the venezuelan TV studios.
Bayamón's choir, 1977: The second trip to New York was in this year, when the municipal administration of Bayamón wanted to offer a show of choral music by the choir of Bayamón to the Puerto Rican community in New York. In this presentation, which coincided with the celebration of the 200 years of Bayamón, had place in the Waldorf Astoria Hotel, during the Banquet of the Puerto Rican parade. In 1973 the choir visited the Virgin Islands, having a show in the Island Center Auditorium of Santa Cruz. Their last tour was in 1975, as a part of their 25 year anniversary. They played in Barranquilla, Cartagena, Medellín and Bogotá, in Colombia.
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Post by reasontorevelate on Jan 29, 2012 22:07:40 GMT
Thanks Proparandy!
Are the labels on the other side of the tests the same? Is there anyone with a reverse "LADO A" A-side label test pressing?
Hmm, that was a complicated question.
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Post by chris2far on Jan 30, 2012 13:59:07 GMT
fun fact!
sometimes when i think about those records i forget that among them might me other records than hardcore stuuf on those pressing plants
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Post by reasontorevelate on Apr 16, 2012 19:39:59 GMT
that some next level nerdy investigation. bravo! well done. the writing can be seen on the stamped gb, and the sbs tests too. AND on the Judge SCHISM test pressing which was done at the same time and at the same plant as the SBS record. I will scan and reverse both of my SBS test and JUDGE test labels and add to the thread tonight Would like to see that, please do! |
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Post by Raven X Army on Oct 4, 2018 8:30:12 GMT
AND on the Judge SCHISM test pressing which was done at the same time and at the same plant as the SBS record. I will scan and reverse both of my SBS test and JUDGE test labels and add to the thread tonight Would like to see that, please do! Emil, Thanks for reminding me about this!! 6 and a half years delay but here we go. Jordan told me once that he pressed the Judge and Side By Side at the same time. Same pressing plant as the GB and possibly WZ and SOIA. didn't they all come with blank labels? Attachments:
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Post by Raven X Army on Oct 4, 2018 8:31:23 GMT
Also, only LADO B on both sides, both records. No LADO A  |
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Post by reasontorevelate on Oct 4, 2018 18:57:50 GMT
It feels like 2-3 years ago, not double the time.
I added the Original GB test pictures again up on top.
That Coro de Bayamon LP....I actually bought it 2 years ago, and have played it as a Christmas record!
The family likes it, and I have my little "this-is-a-Rev-and-weird-rare-record-test-press-connection" moment.
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Post by geoff on Oct 4, 2018 19:11:11 GMT
emil, you still deserve so much credit for figuring that out. pretty damn cool.
the 1st press test of the warzone 7" does have blank labels. as does the soia. neither have the printing/set off on it.
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Post by reasontorevelate on Oct 4, 2018 19:32:01 GMT
So only LADO B labels it seems...
In the last 6 years I have never ben able to find that specific 7" 45rpm record, which leads me to believe that it does not exist.
My theory is that plans to press it were changed, perhaps due to success during their (US) touring...
Maybe they changed the 7"-plan into an LP-plan?
What supports this theory is that the 7" labels has FLP-021 printed on it, and the LP that was released was numbered FLP-021 
Lastly, while the LP does not have any year/date printed anywhere...release number 28 FLP-028 is noted on discogs as from 1969.
So this FLP-021 was probably released somewhere between 1965-1968. That's how old the labels are.
Around 20 years later they are used for test pressings of hardcore records |
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Post by reasontorevelate on Oct 4, 2018 19:43:53 GMT
emil, you still deserve so much credit for figuring that out. pretty damn cool. the 1st press test of the warzone 7" does have blank labels. as does the soia. neither have the printing/set off on it. Thanks! That's useful info..those records were pressed earlier of course....Rev 1 and 3
Still could be the same pressing plant though (Electrosound?)
GB and SBS are Rev 4 and 5
(this is for dudes like me who still haven't memorized the order. Shame on me)
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Post by reasontorevelate on Oct 4, 2018 20:43:00 GMT
My NFFA 7" test has the lettering as well...
This is Rev #6.
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Post by reasontorevelate on Oct 4, 2018 20:46:21 GMT
The other side...both sides have LADO B lettering-labels. The stamped side has barely visible letters, but it's there, and thus definitely from the same pile of leftovers.
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Post by reasontorevelate on Oct 4, 2018 20:58:49 GMT
So Rev 7" eps 3-4-5-6 and the Judge Schism 7" ep all have this same anomaly, it seems...
After this came 3 LP releases: The Way it Is--->YOT Break--->Speak Out...
All were pressed at Electrosound Records at "1st press time"
Then came the Chain of Strength 7" #10, and that was the first release after switching to Rainbo Records.
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Post by reasontorevelate on Oct 4, 2018 21:28:10 GMT
This thread needs a picture of the Coro de Bayamon LP label...
They decided to go for "Side A" instead of "Lado A" now
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Post by Raven X Army on Oct 5, 2018 0:44:16 GMT
This thread needs a picture of the Coro de Bayamon LP label...
They decided to go for "Side A" instead of "Lado A" now
View Attachment It's a tree!! I was wondering what it was. I originally thought it was something, someone reducted in a crude way haha |
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Post by chris2far on Oct 18, 2018 5:34:02 GMT
i did not know about this! but the side by side had that weir imprint of a gospel chor record, mine doesnt haveit at all for wich i am pretty happy.
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Post by reasontorevelate on Oct 19, 2018 21:58:25 GMT
Are you 100% sure? It can be very hard to see, like on the NFAA 7" labels above.
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Post by chris2far on Oct 21, 2018 15:17:09 GMT
Are you 100% sure? It can be very hard to see, like on the NFAA 7" labels above. Ohhhh, just checked. Yo're right. very lightly vivible. . |
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