Moved: SOIA Conne Island press

[xjoergx]

Mar 18, 2016 13:53:23 GMT jeff said:

The other difference is that the RSD SOIA 7"s were an official Rev release whereas these new SOIA and Burn pressings seem like Rev-sanctioned releases, as someone else said.

The idea of kids contacting Rev and getting them to press records for a show in their town is neat and totally DIY but at the same time they are manufactured rarities in my opinion.

Of course they are manufactering rarities. but in my opinion it makes no different in comparison to any tour or record release presses that REV bands did in the past. in my eyes, youth of today, world be free and many more also did rarities with those sleeves.

so it is a like it or not situation. bad for those you can´t be at that place to buy them.

geoff: you are right. that makes a little different but also manufactured a sick collection trouble :-)

[jeff]

In those cases of other tour or record release presses, the bands or the label manufactured the rarities, i.e. "official."
Just my opinion too.

[deluxxx777]

As I've said above, asked to revelation about the 30 leftovers, they replied they're unaware, asking back to me where
I found pressing info.
Said this, if the band agreed with the repress, is sure an official record.

About burn 7", was pressed in uk?
If so they have done a good job, seems to me an usa press..

[davesfu]

I too will trade a purple Burn London 7" for one of these. But only after someone trades on to Adam

[deluxxx777]

Oh,just remember that first press also camed with 4 different stamps (and writing ), still not noticed on pressing info, who's collecting them?
I think nobody does it...

[theparty]

 

[Adam Tanner]

I'm supposed to have one coming to me that I'll happily trade forthe Burn ep.

I msg'd The other Adam already

[pancho]

www.ebay.com/itm/-/272193465710

[teenidle]

Mar 16, 2016 13:34:59 GMT geoff said:

Mar 16, 2016 12:55:56 GMT jeff said:

I'm curious why this is one is getting slayed and the Burn in London didn't. Aren't they both manufactured rarities?

slayed is kind of harsh, disappointed would be my term of choice.

now, the burn 7" was a hot mess. the soia took what was bad about the burn 7" and made it worse. 5 different versions spread out of only 330 pressed? so many different versions, it seems pretty lame. rev hasnt ever done something like this, nor has soia.

i really hope the cover of the soia record isnt a cheap digital print. anyone have one?

Both Burn & SOIA were definitely made by Revelation Records. Talked to the guy who made both. To come to the Conne Island press the vinyl was made by Revelation Records and the covers were made by a guy, affiliated to the Conne Island location named Sven. The cover were made of high quality on the same level as a standard REV cover.

[chungking48]

Apr 2, 2016 19:59:29 GMT teenidle said:

The cover were made of high quality on the same level as a standard REV cover.

Really?

[theparty]

The front cover is fine but I wouldn't call it high quality. Kind of a pixilated scan. Full color inside and back.

[billy69]

OK, here some answers.
Well, the vinyl was pressed by REV in the US and of course the cover and insert were approved by and designed together with the band and REV. Covers and inserts were printed in Germany due to customs and to keep shipping rates low. Yes, some pics are pixeled because we had to scan or digitalise some 21 years old photos. The cover photo came directly from REV. Why SOIA did this repress is stated by each member of the band inside of the cover.
Why all these different stamps? Because we had to pack, number and stamp the 7"s the night before the show and we've had a lot of fun doing it together and three stamps were available. We even had so much fun, that we thought about writing messages on some of the dust sleeve but we skipped it. Come on, it's just one color pressed and what's the big fuss about stamps on a dust sleeve. However, we totally understand you because we all love collecting records too.
We're sorry that it was only available at the show but that was intended and nobody complained about other special releases like the Chicago presses in 2012. We sold all copies at the show, except the 45 copies for the Jon Bunch Fund. 20 copies of those were available via CoreTex online. Further, we sold one copy per person to make sure, people don't hoard them and trying to make big money via ebay or Discogs. We think it worked out.

[billy69]

Mar 18, 2016 15:54:06 GMT deluxxx777 said:

As I've said above, asked to revelation about the 30 leftovers, they replied they're unaware, asking back to me where
I found pressing info.
Said this, if the band agreed with the repress, is sure an official record.

About burn 7", was pressed in uk?
If so they have done a good job, seems to me an usa press..

You talked to Igby? He told me someone asked about the pressing as I was at the office two days later, to hand their covers in. He didn't know about the repress at the time because only SOIA, Jordan and Vique were involved.

[nico]

I don't feel that Burn 7" was intentionally made rare. IMHO it are just 330 copies made for a show. That it became something different is due to REV keeping 30 and the rush job that they used two different pens to number them. But the importance put upon that is due to collectors not due to the kids organizing a show.

[billy69]

Mar 16, 2016 7:27:24 GMT paolo said:

Mar 15, 2016 22:36:47 GMT chungking48 said:

Con island more like.

hahahahaha! Seriously, pressing info should be 330 made, with various stamps. period. who cares about catwoman or batman.
said that, I need one just as everybody else. will trade.

Well, we did first just mention 'with various stamps'...the reason why was explained in an earlier post...but then we were asked (by die hard record collectors) to be more accurate about stamps and numbers. So we did. What is the problem about SOIA making this show more special by repressing their first 7" and celebrate a friendship of 25 years? Sorry, don't get it! Who doesn't like the repress should just ignore it! Nobody is forced to get one! For us, it was a lot of fun doing this and we put a lot of heart into it too. Maybe someone explains to me/us why 'con island'? Who was conned?

[jeff]

I don't care about the stamps at all but am curious what the origin of these records is.

Did Rev or the bands approach people in Leipzig and London, respectively, and suggest the idea of doing one-off presses of the records, or did kids in those cities approach Rev/the bands?

If Rev or the bands had the idea themselves (and paid to have the records pressed/covers made) then I think these are totally legit releases on par with the Chicago set from a few years ago.

If it was kids in those cities who approached Rev and paid for the manufacturing – while it's totally DIY and obviously made the shows special – that seems like "create your own rarity."

[lins87]

Is it really that important whether a kid asked Rev to do it or it was the other way around? SOIA had the Gilman press back in the 80's so what's the difference? The Conne Island press as far as I'm concerned was to a) Celebrate 25 years of the venue b)30 years of SOIA and the fact that they have played this venue since their very first Euro tour in 92. HC is about being inventive with your output and yes it was sold in small numbers but so are hundreds of other records. If you're a bonafide collector and you want this record you will get one eventually. As for the BURN ep, wasn't that BURN's very first show in Europe ever, so again another celebration and a memento for those that attended the show.

[jeff]

I get all that and generally agree with you. But by that logic, couldn't I decide that I deserve my own pressing of the GB 7" because it was the first Rev record I ever got way back when? So I'll just pay for Rev to press up a few hundred records for me, right?

That's the distinction I'm making between these and other Rev releases.

And yes, I know this is all just record collecting minutiae. It's not the end of the world by any means.

I do have a copy of the SOIA btw. I am "bonafide."

[lins87]

Apr 5, 2016 15:13:54 GMT jeff said:

I get all that and generally agree with you. But by that logic, couldn't I decide that I deserve my own pressing of the GB 7" because it was the first Rev record I ever got way back when? So I'll just pay for Rev to press up a few hundred records for me, right?

That's the distinction I'm making between these and other Rev releases.

And yes, I know this is all just record collecting minutiae. It's not the end of the world by any means.

I do have a copy of the SOIA btw. I am "bonafide."

Hmmmm I don't think its as clear cut as someone just paying to press a record, you still need permission and a very good reason by the band and rev to release these records. I think in these two cases there where definitely good reasons to press them up, but I guess this is the beauty of record collecting and the thrill and disappointment of the chase. Although if this nstarts to happen of a more regular basis then it will become pretty redundant and dumb quickly. Nice one btw that you snagged a SOIA ep, I got one too!!!!

[jeff]

lins87 said:

Although if this nstarts to happen of a more regular basis then it will become pretty redundant and dumb quickly.

That's my point. My example was meant to be absurd, but couldn't almost everyone come up with their own special reason to ask Rev to do a special pressing?

[reasontorevelate]

Apr 5, 2016 16:07:54 GMT jeff said:

lins87 said:

Although if this nstarts to happen of a more regular basis then it will become pretty redundant and dumb quickly.

That's my point. My example was meant to be absurd, but couldn't almost everyone come up with their own special reason to ask Rev to do a special pressing?

Yes, you can Always ask Rev. That shouldn't be a problem.
But you'll need their consent/ok to do it. And the band's approval as well.

And then the fact that SOIA have played Conne Island (20 maybe?!) times in 25 years will be somewhat more convincing than " I deserve my own pressing of the GB 7" because it was the first Rev record I ever got way back when"

[reasontorevelate]

@ billy69: can you tell us how many times SOIA played at Conne Island?

[billy69]

Apr 5, 2016 13:52:21 GMT jeff said:

I don't care about the stamps at all but am curious what the origin of these records is.

Did Rev or the bands approach people in Leipzig and London, respectively, and suggest the idea of doing one-off presses of the records, or did kids in those cities approach Rev/the bands?

If Rev or the bands had the idea themselves (and paid to have the records pressed/covers made) then I think these are totally legit releases on par with the Chicago set from a few years ago.

If it was kids in those cities who approached Rev and paid for the manufacturing – while it's totally DIY and obviously made the shows special – that seems like "create your own rarity."

The origion of these records or call it better the idea came as the band and I sat together end of 2015 and we talked about the two anniversaries and how much fun we always have together since 1992. We thought about how we could make the show dope and celebrate it in a very special way. During this discussion I came up with the idea of repressing the 7" and the whole band loved the idea. Therefore, their management contacted REV and told them, that the band would like to do a repress and REV agreed to it. Doing a cover for a record celebrating a certain venue, of course we, the people of the Conne Island, were ask to do the artwork/layout. That's the whole story and I wont apology for knowing these guys for more than 25 years and that I came up with the idea in the first place. Make your own opinion about is it legit/official or not. Again, every member of the band stated why this record was repressed on the inner sleeve.
Slash, hammer or ignore the 7", we don't care. Everybody involved is more than happy with the result and we loved to do it together.
Btw nobody made money out of this repress because SOIA donated all profits made to support projects of the Conne Island as well as to the Jon Bunch Fund, to help the family of a good friend. That's all what matters to me and the band.

[billy69]

Apr 5, 2016 19:34:50 GMT reasontorevelate said:

@ billy69: can you tell us how many times SOIA played at Conne Island?

Actually I cant. First show was March 1992 (another reason for making the 7" for this show), again 1994 and 1995. between 1996 and 2001 they couldn't play the CI because of their With Full Force shows but they used the CI more than once as their "rehearsal room". Since 2001, they play nearly every tour at the CI except of the years playing the Endless Summer Festival, which is run by people of the CI too. All together I assume 20+ times.
And yes, next to the venue, personal relationships were a reason for doing the 7" too.

[jeff]

The origion of these records or call it better the idea came as the band and I sat together end of 2015 and we talked about the two anniversaries and how much fun we always have together since 1992. We thought about how we could make the show dope and celebrate it in a very special way. During this discussion I came up with the idea of repressing the 7" and the whole band loved the idea. Therefore, their management contacted REV and told them, that the band would like to do a repress and REV agreed to it. Doing a cover for a record celebrating a certain venue, of course we, the people of the Conne Island, were ask to do the artwork/layout. That's the whole story and I wont apology for knowing these guys for more than 25 years and that I came up with the idea in the first place.

Settle down Billy, no one's asking you to apologize because you're boys with SOIA.

Make your own opinion about is it legit/official or not. Again, every member of the band stated why this record was repressed on the inner sleeve.
Slash, hammer or ignore the 7", we don't care. Everybody involved is more than happy with the result and we loved to do it together.

Please note that I didn't call this or the Burn record bootlegs. But to play devil's advocate, hasn't SOIA played everywhere 20 times by now?

My point was that they wouldn't have happened if kids in those cities hadn't come up with the ideas on their own....which on one hand is great but then on the other it's like.....Burn just played Philly for the first time in 25 years, why not press a 7" for that show? Maybe SOIA has played Dubuque, Iowa 65 times (I cannot officially verify that), why not press a 7" for the next show there too?

If it happens over and over then it's like...what's a "real" release and what's not? Again, not the end of the world, just a question that came to mind.

Btw nobody made money out of this repress because SOIA donated all profits made to support projects of the Conne Island as well as to the Jon Bunch Fund, to help the family of a good friend. That's all what matters to me and the band.

Didn't suspect anyone made money off the record and, of course, it's great that whatever proceeds came of it were given away.