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Post by darthdomm on Mar 14, 2014 19:34:50 GMT
The title says it all... Except black vinyl of course... I recently scored one on eBay and I would really like to know how many were pressed and what year they were pressed...  The 3rd press GB information is nowhere to be found... Nothing here on Rev, nothing on Finn's page and nothing on Kyle's page... I can't even find anything on the regular red lettered 3rd press... If anybody knows, can you please share that precious information with me??? I would tremendously appreciate it... Thanx, Dom |
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Post by circlestorm69 on Mar 14, 2014 20:14:34 GMT
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Post by darthdomm on Mar 14, 2014 21:54:00 GMT
________________________________________ Thanx dude... I did see that already though. That is just absurd that nobody knows how many were pressed out of that 3rd run... Somebody's gotta know??? |
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Post by darthdomm on Mar 14, 2014 21:55:58 GMT
Does anybody even know what year they did the 3rd press???
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Post by Raven X Army on Mar 15, 2014 2:32:00 GMT
Revelation has always had a bunch of extra sleeves lying around for whatever releases (see the SOIA RSD with all those mixed up covers being put to use)
I don't think at THE TIME these were being pressed anybody put any weight on the importance of numbers.
I can only guess but probably 3rd press came in when part of the 2nd press was still with REV so they packed the records in whatever covers were around. From what I could see on ebay over the years a lot more of the 2nd press can be found with red sleeve than the 3rd press with purple.
General idea is:
2nd press = purple sleeve
3rd press = red sleeve
for the most part.
Some are mixed up.
To be quite honest I don't really consider them separate "versions" worthy of collecting but I have some of those mix ups that came into my possession a long while back.
My WZ b-side originally came in the 3rd press cover for example.
To answer your question (or to actually NOT answer it) I don't think anyone will ever come up with the numbers on the mixed up covers.
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Post by darthdomm on Mar 15, 2014 21:06:02 GMT
Revelation has always had a bunch of extra sleeves lying around for whatever releases (see the SOIA RSD with all those mixed up covers being put to use) I don't think at THE TIME these were being pressed anybody put any weight on the importance of numbers. I can only guess but probably 3rd press came in when part of the 2nd press was still with REV so they packed the records in whatever covers were around. From what I could see on ebay over the years a lot more of the 2nd press can be found with red sleeve than the 3rd press with purple. General idea is: 2nd press = purple sleeve 3rd press = red sleeve for the most part. Some are mixed up. To be quite honest I don't really consider them separate "versions" worthy of collecting but I have some of those mix ups that came into my possession a long while back. My WZ b-side originally came in the 3rd press cover for example. To answer your question (or to actually NOT answer it) I don't think anyone will ever come up with the numbers on the mixed up covers. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hello Poison, Thank you very much for your words here. I really appreciate it and I definitely understand exactly where you are coming from. However, I still cannot believe there is nobody out there who at least knows a rough estimation of how many records were pressed in that run. Everyone keeps mentioning the purple and red sleeve colors when that actually has nothing to do with it whatsoever. It comes down to how many black vinyl records they pressed in that run and that's it. It's very simple. A good friend of mine owned and ran a hc record label called Edison Recordings and I learned quite a lot from him about things like this. All record labels keep track of pressing numbers because pressing costs money and they get charged so much for so many records pressed, bottom line... They're probably withholding the pressing information because of the sleeves being mixed up and maybe they want that 3rd press to be considered somewhat of a collector's lore with some nostalgia attached to it, when really, it is nothing more than just a simple 3rd press regular black vinyl run. Idk? Whatever? Oh well??? Anyways, would you happen to know the "year" in which that 3rd press came out??? Can anybody even answer that question??? My guess would be 88 or 89, but I don't know??? They didn't even release that information. However, I would really like to know, because whenever I obtain a collectible record, I write down all the information I can find out about that particular record on a little piece of paper and I slip it in with the record, inside the sleeve. That way, when my son inherits my record collection, when I am long gone, he can have a little something to go on, "if" he decides to cash in on them. So, if anybody can at least tell me what year the GB purple lettered black vinyl 3rd press came out, I would greatly appreciate that as well... Thanx, Dom |
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Post by Raven X Army on Mar 15, 2014 23:49:56 GMT
It really isn't that hard to believe. Nobody knows for example how many GB on green are out there because the invoice for that particular pressing got misplaced over the years let alone how many sleeves got mixed up for some other pressing  I disagree. REV is known for being a bit shabby on the records keeping lol. I talked to Kevin and Jordan about several pressings, for example how many JUDGE LP pressings they did (and the 7" as well) and they only could say that there were many but no one knows for sure how many. There definitely isn't any conspiracy out there to make anything more desirable as well. That's for sure. They simply didn't care back then and still don't care today about this detail. All we have to go on is that "there are some". I don't know about the year. I guess this is the question for Jordan but I don't think he would be eager to go and look through the invoices if there even are any lol.
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Post by xreganx on Mar 16, 2014 0:06:33 GMT
Nope, no one has the numbers as to how many there are. But even if you had that there is absolutely no way to tell how many if that press were given purple sleeves and how many were given red. (Same way as there is no way to tell how many yellow vinyl have red or purple sleeves).
I'm not from the US and I've never met anyone from Rev, but I can almost categorically gaurentee no one cares about this press of the record being some kind of collectible item. I'm not trying to be rude but that just does not really make any sense, it wouldn't benefit them in anyway.
Although yes record labels keep a track of pressing information, they don't necessarily keep it for 25 years. Hell, no one even knows the numbers for the green vinyl GB 7" and that was way later. (And I'm pretty sure everybody who would have known has been asked, I mean not only the sources Kenin Finn has got his information from, but people on this board, have tried finding out about the green 7").
Also in regards to a year, I'm not sure, but my guess would be when they were selling the remaining copies of the yellow 7" (because of the covers bing mixed up on both). So maybe it was 89 by then. That's just a guess.
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Post by xreganx on Mar 16, 2014 0:08:45 GMT
Hahah Dobek, it looks like we were typing similar things at the same time.
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Post by Raven X Army on Mar 16, 2014 0:40:36 GMT
Great minds think alike lol
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Post by lordxhumungus on Mar 16, 2014 2:22:33 GMT
The way I see it is that with the exception of the first and second pressing most of the numbers for this 7" are vague, or unknown, or not released. 3rd press, 6th press or whatever. And that's fine with me. For me it's more about recognizing that different versions or pressings exist and then trying to find them. Heck, that's why I was drawn to this board in the first place.
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Post by circlestorm69 on Mar 16, 2014 8:21:05 GMT
If record labels don't have the invoices anymore it's hard to track.
You could always try asking someone at the pressing plant. They should have invoices too. For both vinyl and sleeves.
But like xreganx said, who is keeping those invoices for over 25 years?!
Rev is pretty open about it since there is the rev.txt file. Other companies are too and some are NOT.
Read the answer (and my reply and his reply on that) i got a couple of days ago when i asked for pressing info on an old colored SNFU album.
One of the band members directed me to this guy and i send him a message on Facebook.
This is what he said. Another way to look at it. And at least he replied ;-)
"Marc,
We understand there are people in the world that this stuff matters to, but unfortunately for you we are not some of those people.
We make music and we released records of other bands whose music we loved.
Our friend worked at the pressing plant and would call us to say that they ran a coloured vinyl for someone and had some extra coloured vinyl on the press
and we could get a "cheaper" price on it since they didn't want to just throw out the vinyl.
So we'd say sure, run this record or that one that he had the parts for at the time.
Usually a few hundred. We never kept records of how many, what color, what pressing or any of those details.
Cause, like I said, we don't care.
This is info normally reserved for someone that wants to "resell" the record for more $ and so even if we knew the answers to your questions we probably we wouldn't give that out.
Sorry."
"Hi,
Thanks for your answer. That's clear to me. I collect and buy music for about 30 years. I never download.
Only i can't wait until the official release comes out that i already preordered. I know people buy to sell music again and make a lot of money.
I am not that person. I only buy and spend thousands and thousand of dollars on music. Vinyl, cd's, merch and live shows.
SNFU is the band that got me into hardcore/punk and had a huge influence on me. For a part it made me who i am.
I just collect their music. All of it, all versions, both vinyl and cd's.
I was just curious about those numbers. A lot of labels are really open about it. But i understand and respect your policy.
Thanks for releasing SNFU! They are awesome. I see them again in a few weeks when they start their European tour here in The Netherlands.
Grtz. Marc"
"Fair enough Marc, unfortunately all I can tell you is we may have run 200-300 of the coloured vinyl.
Usually it was at least 1 or 2 different colours for those early releases but it was over 30 years ago, just don't remember."
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Post by chungking48 on Mar 16, 2014 10:24:04 GMT
i got a couple of days ago when i asked for pressing info on an old colored SNFU album. Hey man, good emails. I like your dedication, tracking down people on facebook. I also liked your reply to his first email. Very polite. Re: Rev - not just this GB 7", but other stuff - I kinda like the way that there is no info. But whether there are 50, 100 or 500, what difference does it make? Yes, it's nice to know, but it doesn't really change the fact that you want one, right? Also, if the number was out there & readily available, it would probably work against you anyway, as people would quote that number when they wanted to sell one and use it to justify setting an insanely high price... 'only 500 made in 1987' or whatever. On a related note, I have two Sick Of It All 7"s on red with photocopied sleeves. I emailed Jordan about it a few years ago and he said he had no memory of making them, but said that it was the kind of thing they did back then. Seems completely understandable to me that if they were 30 covers short or something that they would make some and not immediately reach for a log book to write it all down. |
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Post by circlestorm69 on Mar 16, 2014 10:48:09 GMT
i got a couple of days ago when i asked for pressing info on an old colored SNFU album. Hey man, good emails. I like your dedication, tracking down people on facebook. I also liked your reply to his first email. Very polite. Re: Rev - not just this GB 7", but other stuff - I kinda like the way that there is no info. But whether there are 50, 100 or 500, what difference does it make? Yes, it's nice to know, but it doesn't really change the fact that you want one, right? Also, if the number was out there & readily available, it would probably work against you anyway, as people would quote that number when they wanted to sell one and use it to justify setting an insanely high price... 'only 500 made in 1987' or whatever. On a related note, I have two Sick Of It All 7"s on red with photocopied sleeves. I emailed Jordan about it a few years ago and he said he had no memory of making them, but said that it was the kind of thing they did back then. Seems completely understandable to me that if they were 30 covers short or something that they would make some and not immediately reach for a log book to write it all down. Thanks! Being polite at least made him mention some numbers haha. But that doesn't help since there are 3 colored versions of early SNFU albums his label did. But it doesn't matter. I was just curious. I talked to SNFU's bass player on FB. He was on that record i wanted to know the numbers of and is back in SNFU at the moment. He didn't know those pressing numbers, so he said contact that guy since he's on FB too. So i did and he answered. You are right and the label guy said the same. Numbers can be cool but are a big influence on the selling price. That's the down side of knowing the numbers. But if you want a record, you go for it! But knowing the number can also making you want it even more ;-) |
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Post by Raven X Army on Mar 16, 2014 13:34:39 GMT
Why do a lot of Dutch people like to put "Grtz" at the end of an email?
I can only guess that this means "Greetings" (?) which is probably more of a "Hello" rather than "Good bye" but it's not even about the placement of the word in the email. I find it fascinating that only people from Netherlands use this.
Greetings Earthlings
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Post by nico on Mar 16, 2014 13:46:23 GMT
I never did that! Myth busted!
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Post by xfoundxyoux on Mar 16, 2014 16:54:35 GMT
I never did that! Myth busted! +1 jeff xXx |
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Post by circlestorm69 on Mar 16, 2014 19:43:53 GMT
I do!
Grtz. Marc :-p
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Post by Raven X Army on Mar 17, 2014 12:49:23 GMT
I didn't say ALL of the Dutch lol I remember some dude from Belgium kept writing me that as well |
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