REV014 : Judge : New York Crew 7"

[Clichejon]

Judge
New York Crew 7"
Revelation #14 1989

Test Press
(The plates from the 3rd Schism pressing were used, Porcell thinks there was the test press made for this version when it was released on Schism, Jordan doesn't remember if he requested additional tests prior to having it done on REV. If there are any tests for this particular pressing they are most likely Schism tests)
Black vinyl

1st Press
1000 Blue vinyl - Orange card sleeve, orange lyric sheet
Matrix: THE SAP HOTLINE / WE MISS KELLOGS 45RPM.



4000 Black vinyl - Orange card sleeve, orange lyric sheet.
Matrix: THE SAP HOTLINE / WE MISS KELLOGS 45RPM.



1st Press Anomaly
Some of the blue vinyl came with a black swirl.

2nd Press
Black vinyl - Yellow paper sleeve, purple lyric sheet.
Matrix: THE SAP HOTLINE / WE MISS KELLOGS 45RPM.



3rd Press
Black vinyl - Yellow paper sleeve, yellow lyric sheet
Matrix: THE SAP HOTLINE / WE MISS KELLOGS now scratched off with REV matrix written next to it, 45RPM.



4th Press
Black vinyl - Yellow glossy card sleeve, white lyric sheet.
Matrix: THE SAP HOTLINE / WE MISS KELLOGS now scratched off with REV matrix written next to it, 45RPM.
Note: From now on all of the subsequent pressings will look identical ~ the only difference being the matrix numbers



5th Press

Test Press
Black vinyl
Matrix: ARE / BRE OLD SMOKE 33RPM

5th Press : Mispress
Black vinyl - Yellow glossy card sleeve, white lyric sheet.
Matrix: ARE 33RPM / WE MISS KELLOGS 45RPM
This one was made when the record got remixed for the all new pressing with ARE / OLD SMOKE matrix at 33 RPM speed. Jordan thinks that somehow the plates at the pressing plant got mixed up and a number of 7″s got pressed with A side of a new mix, the "ARE" matrix and 33RPM speed and B side with WE MISS KELLOGGS SCHISM matrix at 45RPM speed.
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5th / 6th Press and later
Black vinyl - Yellow glossy card sleeve, white lyric sheet.
Matrix: ARE / BRE OLD SMOKE 33RPM
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Anomaly
A copy with with glossy card cover, yellow insert and final mix vinyl was found.
Whether it was a separate pressings or someone just switched the insert from an earlier pressing remains unknown.

[chris2far]

is the schism matrix on both sides scratched of? i have one thats like the 3rd press you described but the schism matrix is only scratched out on side B

and i need a proper 3rd press.

[chris2far]

is there a CD version of the new york crew? i ve never seen the cd for it.

[circlestorm69]

May 19, 2013 9:40:09 GMT chris2far said:

is the schism matrix on both sides scratched of? i have one thats like the 3rd press you described but the schism matrix is only scratched out on side B

and i need a proper 3rd press.

Scratched off on both sides.

I have a 1st press (orange) sleeve with black vinyl that is described as the 3rd press from the one with the yellow sleeve.

This i how i described it on Discogs:
Black vinyl/orange card sleeve with longer front/orange lyric insert. 1st press.
Matrix: THE SAP HOTLINE / WE MISS KELLOGS 45RPM, but SCHISM was etched out and has REV-14 now! Like 3rd press vinyl (which comes with yellow sleeve)

I never heard of a New York Crew CD version.

[Raven X Army]

Jan 14, 2014 10:24:10 GMT circlestorm69 said:

May 19, 2013 9:40:09 GMT chris2far said:

is the schism matrix on both sides scratched of? i have one thats like the 3rd press you described but the schism matrix is only scratched out on side B

and i need a proper 3rd press.

Scratched off on both sides.

I have a 1st press (orange) sleeve with black vinyl that is described as the 3rd press from the one with the yellow sleeve.

This i how i described it on Discogs:
Black vinyl/orange card sleeve with longer front/orange lyric insert. 1st press.
Matrix: THE SAP HOTLINE / WE MISS KELLOGS 45RPM, but SCHISM was etched out and has REV-14 now! Like 3rd press vinyl (which comes with yellow sleeve)

I never heard of a New York Crew CD version.

This is definitely vinyl / cover mix up.
It's not a pressing or a version to make a discogs page for.
Orange covers are for the 1st press only. That's 100%.
Everything else is assumed/guessed/deduced lol

But when you get the orange cover with any vinyl other than the 1st pressed it's safe to assume that the previous owner simply didn't keep his records in order and slipped wrong vinyl into the 1st press sleeve.

[circlestorm69]

Jan 14, 2014 13:14:50 GMT Raven X Army said:

Jan 14, 2014 10:24:10 GMT circlestorm69 said:

Scratched off on both sides.

I have a 1st press (orange) sleeve with black vinyl that is described as the 3rd press from the one with the yellow sleeve.

This i how i described it on Discogs:
Black vinyl/orange card sleeve with longer front/orange lyric insert. 1st press.
Matrix: THE SAP HOTLINE / WE MISS KELLOGS 45RPM, but SCHISM was etched out and has REV-14 now! Like 3rd press vinyl (which comes with yellow sleeve)

I never heard of a New York Crew CD version.

This is definitely vinyl / cover mix up.
It's not a pressing or a version to make a discogs page for.
Orange covers are for the 1st press only. That's 100%.
Everything else is assumed/guessed/deduced lol

But when you get the orange cover with any vinyl other than the 1st pressed it's safe to assume that the previous owner simply didn't keep his records in order and slipped wrong vinyl into the 1st press sleeve.

I thought about someone mixing them up.
The previous owner was Jeff (vd Wal) so i'll ask him how he got this.
He's not the person to mix items up :-)

And of course i know orange is a 1st press.
Kinda strange people mix em up, but i guess that happens all the time.
I don't think it will happen to me!

And about Discogs…i have a lot of my vinyl in that database. "in my collection".
I just copy/paste what i have written down in the comments, because that was easier than checking my Judge NYC 7"s again ;-)

[xfoundxyoux]

I think i got it from ebay(way back), and no, i'm not mixing things up any way, it can also easily be a mix up by revelation like so many mix ups the did by mistake

jeff
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[Raven X Army]

Whoever mixed it up (it doesn't really matter) it doesn't make it a rarer, more collectible variant lol. It doesn't really make it a variant period.A wrong record in a wrong sleeve is all this is.
It's slightly different (although still debatable) when part of the entire pressing gets some left over sleeves:
GB 2nd/3rd
WZ blue logo etc

[jeff]

Is there any difference between a first press black vinyl and a second press?