GB S/T 7" on eBay did I over pay?

[cwas]

Hey all,
  I am just curious, I probably over paid for this, most of what makes me think that is the fact that I was the only bidder.
As far as I can tell I think it's a 3rd press with the purple letters (which is why I wanted it, the purple letters that is) 
I paid $49. I mean ultimately I am okay with spending it, but I was just curious as to what everyone else thought. You guys are the pros.


www.ebay.com/itm/111631344777?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[shrockmw]

To my knowledge that is a 2nd press cover with a (likely) 3rd press vinyl. I don't think that is something Revelation did. Probably over the years the vinyl/covers got mixed and matched by different owners.

As far as overpaying, I don't think so. I am a big fan of paying a price that makes you happy. Plus the purple letters are a cool cover to have.

[xreganx]

I think you paid the going rate, if my memory is correct I paid about the same for mine.

Also yes this is a second press cover, third press vinyl. However I'm 99% sure rev did do this. Same way as there are yellow 7"s with the red letter third press cover, there are a lot of these black vinyl second press cover. Exact numbers would be anyone's guess, but I have seen plenty of these around and the fact that the yellow vinyl has mixed up covers too seems to make sense that they were done around the same time by rev.

[cwas]

Apr 3, 2015 1:33:23 GMT xreganx said:

I think you paid the going rate, if my memory is correct I paid about the same for mine.

Also yes this is a second press cover, third press vinyl. However I'm 99% sure rev did do this. Same way as there are yellow 7"s with the red letter third press cover, there are a lot of these black vinyl second press cover. Exact numbers would be anyone's guess, but I have seen plenty of these around and the fact that the yellow vinyl has mixed up covers too seems to make sense that they were done around the same time by rev.

Thanks, I thought that's what it was (2nd press cover, 3rd press vinyl) which is pretty much what I read here on this forum in the pressing info.
I'm stoked on the purchase so as I said I'm okay with paying what I paid, just a bit surprised no one else bid on it (I guess I finally found something kinda rare-ish and cool that all of you big collectors already have, or weren't interested in!) 

[cwas]

Apr 3, 2015 1:26:38 GMT shrockmw said:

To my knowledge that is a 2nd press cover with a (likely) 3rd press vinyl. I don't think that is something Revelation did. Probably over the years the vinyl/covers got mixed and matched by different owners.

As far as overpaying, I don't think so. I am a big fan of paying a price that makes you happy. Plus the purple letters are a cool cover to have.

Thanks, I agree, The purple letters are cool! and I was ultimately ok with paying what I paid 

[darthdomm]

i paid $40 for the same exact purple lettered/black wax gb record a little over a year ago. $9 more a year later seems about right. you might even say you got a deal on it.
but it has been documented by rev and on kevin finn's pressing info page that the 2nd press/yellow wax and the 3rd press/black wax had both red lettered sleeves and purple lettered sleeves. i got the whole band to sign my red lettered banana yellow wax copy at their house of vans show in brooklyn last summer. when i came around to arthur, i had a little discussion with him about their early rev pressings and he said the same thing because he was surprised to see my red lettered/banana yellow wax version. he said it is more rare.
here's what it says on finn's page about this:
2nd press : 2000 yellow vinyl
The front letters are in purple. A different mix. 15 are
numbered by Luke with drawings on the B-side. Towards the
end of the pressing they ran out of both sleeves and B-side
labels. Which ran out first can be debated but 50-90 have
the Warzone B-side label and can be found with either
purple lettering sleeves or red lettering sleeves. The
normal yellow vinyl can be found with red lettering sleeves
as well. At least two off white copies of this pressing
have been found. The only plausible explination for these
would be that when the white and yellow vinyl was mixed to
create the banana yellow color, a few copies were made
before the vinyl was fully mixed. Take a look at -
revhq.com/images/pressings/gbwhite.gif
(thanks to Tobias Schneider for the scan)
3rd press : black vinyl
Red lettering paper sleeves. Some have the purple
lettering 2nd press sleeves appear on these and vise versa.



www.revelationrecords.com/rev.txt

[geoff]

Apr 3, 2015 1:33:23 GMT xreganx said:

I think you paid the going rate, if my memory is correct I paid about the same for mine.

Also yes this is a second press cover, third press vinyl. However I'm 99% sure rev did do this. Same way as there are yellow 7"s with the red letter third press cover, there are a lot of these black vinyl second press cover. Exact numbers would be anyone's guess, but I have seen plenty of these around and the fact that the yellow vinyl has mixed up covers too seems to make sense that they were done around the same time by rev.

99% percent sure? thats some strong speculation? i have to disagree to some point. there was a time where people were paying more for a gb yellow vinyl with red letter sleeve. it was getting pretty goofy that it was worth so much more. some people were hoping for a warzone label. but after the prices increased, ebay was seeing lots more in 1999 to 2001. i think people were just switching out the sleeves to make people think they are more rare. dont get fooled.

now, im not saying rev didnt do it, but there hasnt ever been word of this. so it cant be confirmed nor denied. but we do know that the warzone b side labels often have the red lettering sleeves because of a possible shortage of the purple lettering sleeve, not a surplus of them. to me that means any purple lettering with black vinyl was switch by a person, not rev.

[xreganx]

Apr 3, 2015 12:18:58 GMT geoff said:

Apr 3, 2015 1:33:23 GMT xreganx said:

I think you paid the going rate, if my memory is correct I paid about the same for mine.

Also yes this is a second press cover, third press vinyl. However I'm 99% sure rev did do this. Same way as there are yellow 7"s with the red letter third press cover, there are a lot of these black vinyl second press cover. Exact numbers would be anyone's guess, but I have seen plenty of these around and the fact that the yellow vinyl has mixed up covers too seems to make sense that they were done around the same time by rev.

99% percent sure? thats some strong speculation? i have to disagree to some point. there was a time where people were paying more for a gb yellow vinyl with red letter sleeve. it was getting pretty goofy that it was worth so much more. some people were hoping for a warzone label. but after the prices increased, ebay was seeing lots more in 1999 to 2001. i think people were just switching out the sleeves to make people think they are more rare. dont get fooled.

now, im not saying rev didnt do it, but there hasnt ever been word of this. so it cant be confirmed nor denied. but we do know that the warzone b side labels often have the red lettering sleeves because of a possible shortage of the purple lettering sleeve, not a surplus of them. to me that means any purple lettering with black vinyl was switch by a person, not rev.

It could be some people have switched them, however as stated above from the rev.txt site:

3rd press : black vinyl
Red lettering paper sleeves. Some have the purple
lettering 2nd press sleeves appear on these and vise versa.

So this isn't official but I think of it like the Warzone second and third press some second press have blue letters, some third press have white. My guess would be they got mixed when making them up with leftovers. But maybe I'm wrong. Again could be people switching them, but it seems to be way more common than some people mixing them up for profit or by mistake.

[cwas]

Apr 3, 2015 12:26:32 GMT xreganx said:

Apr 3, 2015 12:18:58 GMT geoff said:

99% percent sure? thats some strong speculation? i have to disagree to some point. there was a time where people were paying more for a gb yellow vinyl with red letter sleeve. it was getting pretty goofy that it was worth so much more. some people were hoping for a warzone label. but after the prices increased, ebay was seeing lots more in 1999 to 2001. i think people were just switching out the sleeves to make people think they are more rare. dont get fooled.

now, im not saying rev didnt do it, but there hasnt ever been word of this. so it cant be confirmed nor denied. but we do know that the warzone b side labels often have the red lettering sleeves because of a possible shortage of the purple lettering sleeve, not a surplus of them. to me that means any purple lettering with black vinyl was switch by a person, not rev.

It could be some people have switched them, however as stated above from the rev.txt site:

3rd press : black vinyl
Red lettering paper sleeves. Some have the purple
lettering 2nd press sleeves appear on these and vise versa.

So this isn't official but I think of it like the Warzone second and third press some second press have blue letters, some third press have white. My guess would be they got mixed when making them up with leftovers. But maybe I'm wrong. Again could be people switching them, but it seems to be way more common than some people mixing them up for profit or by mistake.

  So what you are suggesting Geoff is that someone may have switched a yellow vinyl (with purple letters on it's cover) into a Red lettered cover, in order to make it seem more rare, then put the black vinyl into the purple lettered cover, also possibly making it seem more rare thus making more $ on both?
man...  I suppose anything is possible. Either way I'm happy to now be the owner of this 7" 

[geoff]

Apr 3, 2015 14:10:12 GMT cwas said:

Apr 3, 2015 12:26:32 GMT xreganx said:

It could be some people have switched them, however as stated above from the rev.txt site:

3rd press : black vinyl
Red lettering paper sleeves. Some have the purple
lettering 2nd press sleeves appear on these and vise versa.

So this isn't official but I think of it like the Warzone second and third press some second press have blue letters, some third press have white. My guess would be they got mixed when making them up with leftovers. But maybe I'm wrong. Again could be people switching them, but it seems to be way more common than some people mixing them up for profit or by mistake.

  So what you are suggesting Geoff is that someone may have switched a yellow vinyl (with purple letters on it's cover) into a Red lettered cover, in order to make it seem more rare, then put the black vinyl into the purple lettered cover, also possibly making it seem more rare thus making more $ on both?
man...  I suppose anything is possible. Either way I'm happy to now be the owner of this 7" 

kind of, but only the red lettering with the yellow vinyl. not the other way. ive been collecting rev vinyl for decades, i have seen all the craziness come and go. from insane collectors, to people try to create rare rev records of their own. in 99/2000, the red letter and yellow vinyl would get close to $40 on ebay. back then, that was bonkers. then all of the sudden that color way was popping up? kind of fishy to me.

[jeff]

My first mailorder ever from Rev was sometime in 1988 and they sent me a yellow vinyl GB 7" w red letter sleeve. No Warzone b-side. Has never left my collection since.

[jeff]

I got a Warzone 7" in that same order and I've been meaning forever to figure out exactly which press it is. I'd never heard of the supposed photocopy cover press of 100 until this board started. Not sure how to tell whether mine is a xerox cover or not. (Not to change the subject.)

[shrockmw]

Apr 4, 2015 3:16:32 GMT jeff said:

I got a Warzone 7" in that same order and I've been meaning forever to figure out exactly which press it is. I'd never heard of the supposed photocopy cover press of 100 until this board started. Not sure how to tell whether mine is a xerox cover or not. (Not to change the subject.)

Post a picture of it if you can.