people ANYWHERE making knock-off rev vinyl, hc vinyl or merchandise???

I haven't heard this, but I don't believe it anyway.

"knock-offs of rev vinyl that are impossible to tell the difference from the originals"

In my mind this would be pretty much impossible to do. It would only be worth the effort for the super expensive records, and I think that any fakes would contain subtle differences that record collectors would notice, understand and detect, making the 'fake' obvious. Just things like getting the vinyl to be the exact same color and the matrix to be exactly the same would be a challenge in itself, let alone the labels, paper types, etc. Plus even if they could do it, people would wise up pretty quickly if several copies of rare variants suddenly appeared for sale. I'm sure that if 'people in china' were to start manufacturing rare stuff, there would be a lot more valuable and high demand products that would put their resources into than records that are in demand with a few hundred people worldwide.

The best boot I have ever seen is a boot of the SOIA 7" which looks and feels exactly like the Rev pressing... except they used super flimsy vinyl, and the matrix is wrong. It's always possible to tell. Always.

i heard it from a good dude who has collected hardcore/punk records for a very long time and i've actually heard it pop up in vinyl discussions here and there quite a bit over the past couple years. i live not very far from china town, nyc, where they sell just about everything people want in the pop culture world. it's all fake and very good fake shit. you really cannot tell the difference between the fakes and the real shit, lets put it that way. i hear they actually take pride in being able to replicate things without people being able to tell the difference and they actually like the challenge of replicating things that are hard to replicate. they have even started making fake gibson les paul customs and all kinds of other fake gibson guitars in china that look almost exactly the same as the real gibson guitars, with the same exact wood and hardware. i also did a quick google search of "china making fake products" and i really didn't like what i came up with! articles like crazy, video documentaries on youtube and everything. nothing pointing to fake vinyl records on the internet yet, but i still heard it from someone and it's still very upsetting. i really don't intend to piss anyone off on here with this. i just honestly think it needs to be talked about if there are people out there hearing about fake replica records being made anywhere. not just in china! that is some disturbing sick ass twisted shit! now we all know that pretty much all the early rev stuff and every other old hardcore/punk record label's early releases were simple DIY style. not very hard to duplicate with a chunk full of cash and the right resources at all. therefore it really wouldn't surprise me if there are a few fakes out there floating around of the early and most valuable rev records and other hardcore/punk label's records like dischord. however, again... i honestly hope this is not the case at all... this shit makes me literally sick in my stomach... again, i just feel this needs to be hammered out and discussed...

yeah guys. this kind of shit pisses me off something fierce. i can't even wrap my mind around why someone would even think about putting their own money and time into booting any records. it's far beyond me... i even heard about a dude who has vintage rubber batman and superman stampers in his saved searches on ebay. sooo not cool at all. fuckin sad!!!!!!!!

I work next to City Hall which is next to China town in NYC and I have never seen a record sold anywhere in that whole neighborhood ever (which is actually pretty small) let alone any punk/hc vinyl. Mostly ill food and extremely fake glasses/purses/watches etc.

Nothing new/to worry about here imho.

i sure as hell hope so. i don't like hearing stuff like that.

i changed the title of this thread to better accomodate the point and discussion. it really doesn't matter where bootlegging is taking place. it is wrong no matter where it is done.