REV017 : Youth Of Today : S/T 7"

[circlestorm69]

Since the day i joined this board i never understood why this great 7" doesn't have any pressing info thread.
Last week a few of us discussed about this 7" on Instagram so it's about time we write some info down.

Feel free to add stuff. There are so many versions out there i might have forgotten some.

A lot of people also call this one the "Disengage" 7".

Test press
4 black vinyl
Xeroxed sleeve that says test pressing. Rainbo labels with Youth Of Today handwritten on side-A, Revelation Records CT stamp on side-B.
It came with a xeroxed A4 lyric sheet without pictures. On the paper was a lot of writing with adjustments that had to be made before the lyric sheet was printed.
As far as i know 4 tests were pressed but maybe they did 8.

1st press
5000 black vinyl Tri-fold colored insert.
1000 clear vinyl Tri-fold colored insert.

2nd press
Unknown number of black vinyl came with a Tri-fold black/white insert.
These are pretty hard to find.

Later press
black vinyl (numbers unknown) CD-sized folded lyric sheet.

Final Press
327 clear/white marble vinyl (aka the cum edition) Single sheet black/white insert.

Another press on black vinyl. Single sheet black/white insert.

Record Store Day Press (april 2011)
1350 red vinyl (2 variations) Single sheet black/white insert.
Nobody knows exact numbers but they came on both light red vinyl and dark red vinyl.
300 black vinyl Single sheet black and white insert.
These were pressed at the same time as the red ones.
Just like they pressed 300 black ones at the same time when they released the blue Quicksand and yellow BURN 7"s.

REV25 Chicago press
440 clear vinyl Single sheet black/white insert.
This one has a different sleeve in black and silver and has the YOT logo on the front. New silver labels. Only on this release.
Pressed as a set of 4 with Gorilla Biscuits (REV04), Into Another (REV42), Texas Is The Reason (REV47).

2014 press
550 white vinyl (some came with a black thumb print/smudge) Single sheet black/white insert.

2015 press
560 green vinyl

[xreganx]

There is a press on black vinyl before the RSD press that has the single black and white insert (not the cd size).

Also I'm not sure how you came to 5000 tri-coloured black and white insert, but this seems very incorrect.

[circlestorm69]

Nov 9, 2014 13:32:54 GMT xreganx said:

There is a press on black vinyl before the RSD press that has the single black and white insert (not the cd size).

Also I'm not sure how you came to 5000 tri-coloured black and white insert, but this seems very incorrect.

I heard about that black vinyl, but didn't write it down. Adjustment made.

That 5000 was a copy/paste mistake. Adjustment made.
And you created a new insert i see...colored black and white insert ;-)

[xfoundxyoux]

And the Rev25 thing with wrong labels from yot and texas

;-)

jeff
xXx

[lordxhumungus]

Ok! Good thread!

My first press clear vinyl has one of the sleeves where the front is "taller" than the back, thus creating the "white bar" look as discussed in the Inside Out 7" thread. My black vinyl copy which also has the first press tri-fold color insert has the same "white bar" but it is on the opposite side. In other words, the back of the sleeve is "taller" than the front making the "white bar" visible on the front of the sleeve. Would this indicate a different pressing perhaps?

This has been driving me nuts (nerd problems) but has anyone else seen this or has this?

[shrockmw]

can you post a pic? I'm not totally sure I understand what you are saying -- I blame my dyslexia.

[lordxhumungus]

Nov 10, 2014 20:38:29 GMT shrockmw said:

can you post a pic? I'm not totally sure I understand what you are saying -- I blame my dyslexia.

Ok without having to dig them out at the moment, here's a pic I took a little while back...




Ok top row in the middle (clear vinyl) has the "white bar" in front because the back of the sleeve is taller then the front. The top right corner is a first press black but no "white bar" is visible. The front of the sleeve is taller than the back. If I were to flip it over you would see the "white bar" over the back of the sleeve. Get it?

[xtokeex]

Nov 10, 2014 23:58:23 GMT lordxhumungus said:

Nov 10, 2014 20:38:29 GMT shrockmw said:

can you post a pic? I'm not totally sure I understand what you are saying -- I blame my dyslexia.

Ok without having to dig them out at the moment, here's a pic I took a little while back...




Ok top row in the middle (clear vinyl) has the "white bar" in front because the back of the sleeve is taller then the front. The top right corner is a first press black but no "white bar" is visible. The front of the sleeve is taller than the back. If I were to flip it over you would see the "white bar" over the back of the sleeve. Get it?

my early press copy with tri-fold black and white insert has the same taller back sleeve.
Is anyone ever meet color cd sized insert or it is only black?

[circlestorm69]

Nov 10, 2014 13:14:08 GMT xfoundxyoux said:

And the Rev25 thing with wrong labels from yot and texas

;-)

jeff
xXx

I didn't forget about those, but before i would write it down i wanted to read the posts about those again.

I can't remember if it were YOT labels with "Texas Is The Reason" written on them, or the other way around, or both?
As far as i can remember it's the first, since Jorg has one of those. But maybe i'm wrong and is there a TITR label with YOT written on them as well.
I didn't have time to look that up yet. Which topic?

[circlestorm69]

Nov 10, 2014 17:05:25 GMT lordxhumungus said:

Ok! Good thread!

My first press clear vinyl has one of the sleeves where the front is "taller" than the back, thus creating the "white bar" look as discussed in the Inside Out 7" thread. My black vinyl copy which also has the first press tri-fold color insert has the same "white bar" but it is on the opposite side. In other words, the back of the sleeve is "taller" than the front making the "white bar" visible on the front of the sleeve. Would this indicate a different pressing perhaps?

This has been driving me nuts (nerd problems) but has anyone else seen this or has this?

There is a difference in "white bars" if you compare the one you show in your picture and the "white (and blue) bars" REV nerds talk about when it comes to Inside Out.

Some early REV presses had a longer back of the sleeve creating a "white bar" if you look to the front of the sleeve, others had it opposite.
That's the one shown in your pic.
But if the inside of the sleeve wasn't white it wouldn't be called a "white bar" ;-)
So technically it isn't one.

The "white and blue bars" some Inside Out records have, are actually bars.
The front and back of the sleeve have the same height. No clue why they printed a small white or blue "bar" on the front of the sleeve, but they did.
So they are not the same as the "white bar" shown in your YOT pic.

Love this nerd talk. Haha.


Btw. it's time someone posts some good Inside Out pics! Nico? It's still "under construction" ;-)
Than we could see the "bars".

[lordxhumungus]

Nov 11, 2014 9:25:10 GMT circlestorm69 said:

Nov 10, 2014 17:05:25 GMT lordxhumungus said:

Ok! Good thread!

My first press clear vinyl has one of the sleeves where the front is "taller" than the back, thus creating the "white bar" look as discussed in the Inside Out 7" thread. My black vinyl copy which also has the first press tri-fold color insert has the same "white bar" but it is on the opposite side. In other words, the back of the sleeve is "taller" than the front making the "white bar" visible on the front of the sleeve. Would this indicate a different pressing perhaps?

This has been driving me nuts (nerd problems) but has anyone else seen this or has this?

There is a difference in "white bars" if you compare the one you show in your picture and the "white (and blue) bars" REV nerds talk about when it comes to Inside Out.

Some early REV presses had a longer back of the sleeve creating a "white bar" if you look to the front of the sleeve, others had it opposite.
That's the one shown in your pic.
But if the inside of the sleeve wasn't white it wouldn't be called a "white bar" ;-)
So technically it isn't one.

The "white and blue bars" some Inside Out records have, are actually bars.
The front and back of the sleeve have the same height. No clue why they printed a small white or blue "bar" on the front of the sleeve, but they did.
So they are not the same as the "white bar" shown in your YOT pic.

Love this nerd talk. Haha.


Btw. it's time someone posts some good Inside Out pics! Nico? It's still "under construction" ;-)
Than we could see the "bars".

I am aware of the difference between the illusion of a bar caused by differences in sleeve height and the actual bars printed to mimic that look. That's exactly why I referrenced the Inside Out 7".

My curiosity stems from whether or not one of these sleeves is more common than the other. I know a lot of people don't care at all about these differences but I love this kind of stuff. Differences in sleeves and inserts are fascinating to me. I agree with previous discussions that they don't need to be recognized as part of "pressing info" but I do feel that they are noteworthy. That's one of the reasons I started lurking this board and eventually started posting here. A lot of you are great at finding and documenting this stuff.

xreganx your YOT collection is insane. Do you have this 7" with the sleeve difference here?

[circlestorm69]

Nov 11, 2014 9:13:19 GMT circlestorm69 said:

Nov 10, 2014 13:14:08 GMT xfoundxyoux said:

And the Rev25 thing with wrong labels from yot and texas

;-)

jeff
xXx

I didn't forget about those, but before i would write it down i wanted to read the posts about those again.

I can't remember if it were YOT labels with "Texas Is The Reason" written on them, or the other way around, or both?
As far as i can remember it's the first, since Jorg has one of those. But maybe i'm wrong and is there a TITR label with YOT written on them as well.
I didn't have time to look that up yet. Which topic?

I found Jorg's post. revcollectors.proboards.com/thread/38/photo-day-keeps-doctor-away?page=24 (bottom)
He has two Texas Is The Reason 7"s with a YOT label that has "Texas Is The Reason" handwritten on it.

Has anyone seen it the other way around?

[Michel]

No other way around. There are only TITR 7"s with YOT labels that have "Texas Is The Reasen" written on them (approximately 20). There is one copy that has the YOT label without anything written on it.

[Michel]

@ lordxhumungus

Does the YOT 7" in the top right corner of your picture have a thin paper cover?

[lordxhumungus]

Nov 11, 2014 11:52:00 GMT Michel said:

@ lordxhumungus

Does the YOT 7" in the top right corner of your picture have a thin paper cover?

I'll double check when I get home from work 1000 hours from now but I'm pretty sure it has the same thin paper cover as the one next to it, just reversed.

[xreganx]

circlestorm69 haha that's what happens when you post from your phone and don't proof read.

lordxhumungus thanks mate, though my collection is by far the most impressive collection on this board, I will check my 7"s in the next day or two and maybe post a pic if I have time.

[xreganx]

Also can someone pin this thread? It bugs my that its out of order.

[circlestorm69]

Nov 11, 2014 12:59:38 GMT xreganx said:

circlestorm69 haha that's what happens when you post from your phone and don't proof read.

lordxhumungus thanks mate, though my collection is by far the most impressive collection on this board, I will check my 7"s in the next day or two and maybe post a pic if I have time.

I've never posted anything from my phone on the REVboard. I always use the PC so you got that wrong ;-)

[circlestorm69]

Nov 11, 2014 13:25:42 GMT xreganx said:

Also can someone pin this thread? It bugs my that its out of order.

Same here! Admins...were are you?!

[Raven X Army]

I pinned it but it went to the top lol
I don't know how to change the position of it. I will try to work it out later on.

[xreganx]

circlestorm69 I meant my typo, not yours haha.

So I took a quick pic this morning. Here is everything in order, minus the cd size insert and tests.



The two first press (top left) have paper-like covers, which are taller at the back. The later presses then have the glossy cardboard cover (3 on the top right). Finally all the recent represses (bottom row) all have a matte cardboard.

Here is a better pic to see the differences in covers.

[lordxhumungus]

Ok I should be sleeping but, instead, I've located my two first pressings with trifold full color inserts. The clear has the sleeve with the back that is taller than the front, like xreganx's. The black one has the sleeve that is taller in the front.

The sleeve for my clear one seems to be thicker paper than the sleeve for my black one. I'm quite comfortable saying that the black one has a paper sleeve. But the clear one is almost like card. Not quite though. I will take pics tomorrow when I have some decent lighting.

Thanks xreganx for the excellent pictures. Good night.

[jeff]

Nov 12, 2014 2:29:57 GMT lordxhumungus said:

The sleeve for my clear one seems to be thicker paper than the sleeve for my black one. I'm quite comfortable saying that the black one has a paper sleeve. But the clear one is almost like card. Not quite though. I will take pics tomorrow when I have some decent lighting.

In the early 90s when these were all originally released the "card" sleeves were thinner than the ones they use now. I think the order should go something like this: early 90s: thin matte card sleeves --> mid 90s-early 00s: super hi glossy sleeves --> mid 00s to present: back to matte card sleeves but they are obviously higher quality (thicker) than the early 90s ones.

The wildcard is the "paper" sleeve which is kind of like the thickness of a magazine page (maybe just a hair thicker) and not glossy. There's the Quicksand 7" that's a little more common that came with the paper sleeve and the turquoise insert. As far as I know, Disengage is the only other Rev 7" that came with this type of cover, and I've only seen one copy ever (and stupidly did not buy it). But I believe that's what is being referred to above as the "paper" sleeve.

[lordxhumungus]

Nov 12, 2014 18:01:44 GMT jeff said:

Nov 12, 2014 2:29:57 GMT lordxhumungus said:

The sleeve for my clear one seems to be thicker paper than the sleeve for my black one. I'm quite comfortable saying that the black one has a paper sleeve. But the clear one is almost like card. Not quite though. I will take pics tomorrow when I have some decent lighting.

In the early 90s when these were all originally released the "card" sleeves were thinner than the ones they use now. I think the order should go something like this: early 90s: thin matte card sleeves --> mid 90s-early 00s: super hi glossy sleeves --> mid 00s to present: back to matte card sleeves but they are obviously higher quality (thicker) than the early 90s ones.

The wildcard is the "paper" sleeve which is kind of like the thickness of a magazine page (maybe just a hair thicker) and not glossy. There's the Quicksand 7" that's a little more common that came with the paper sleeve and the turquoise insert. As far as I know, Disengage is the only other Rev 7" that came with this type of cover, and I've only seen one copy ever (and stupidly did not buy it). But I believe that's what is being referred to above as the "paper" sleeve.

Perfect description.  Like magazine paper. And the front is taller than the back, which is the opposite of the thin card sleeve. xreganx How would you rate the thickness/texture of your "paper" sleeves?

The way you compared this to the Quicksand 7" with the turquoise insert reminded me of my original point... Maybe this is a different pressing but still comes with the full color insert from the first pressing?

[jeff]

Nov 12, 2014 18:01:44 GMT jeff said:

The wildcard is the "paper" sleeve which is kind of like the thickness of a magazine page (maybe just a hair thicker) and not glossy. There's the Quicksand 7" that's a little more common that came with the paper sleeve and the turquoise insert. As far as I know, Disengage is the only other Rev 7" that came with this type of cover, and I've only seen one copy ever (and stupidly did not buy it). But I believe that's what is being referred to above as the "paper" sleeve.

Dunno how I forgot these, but New York Crew and the Bold 7" (blue cover) also came in paper sleeves.

Anyone want to sell or trade me a Disengage paper sleeve or a Quicksand glossy sleeve?